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This is the third installment introducing details to subjects which are not really discussed or talked about when it comes to Ichimoku Trading, that of using Ichimoku Time Theory and Ichimoku Wave Theory. Remember, according to Goichi Hosada (the creator of the Ichimoku Cloud), the Ichimoku trading system is based upon three pillars, and they are;
1) Ichimoku Time Theory
2) Ichimoku Wave Theory
3) Ichimoku Price Theory
This Ichimoku trading system article will be focused on introducing the key principles to Ichimoku Price Theory.  For those wanting a review of the other two, you can find those articles by clicking on the links above.
It should be noted to really understand and apply Ichimoku Price Theory, you will need an understanding of the prior two, particularly a good grasp of the Time Theory which is used quite extensively with the Price Theory.
The goal of this article will be to introduce the most basic components of the Price Theory, which may be considered the most complicated of the three.   I will discuss the main price calculations, how to formulate them, give examples of each one and some helpful tips when applying the Price Theory to Ichimoku trading.
Introduction To Ichimoku Price Theory
First, it should be noted we do not want to see these price targets as absolutes.  They are really guides to give us highly probable approximations as to where the market is likely headed during a particular wave or move.  These methods take practice to learn how to use, so take your time with them, but never look at this as an absolute target.
In reality, there are 4 basic price measurement methods according to the theory, however the 4th is generally regarded as a low probability event and takes a considerable amount of skill to spot and use.  So for our purposes, we will only use the basic three which are the most common and critical to learn.
The three main price measurements are known as;
1) The V Calculation = B + (B – C)
2) The N Calculation = C + (B – A)
3) The E Calculation = B + (B – A)
The formulas for them are listed above, but I will show you a diagram to better understand them which is below.
Ichimoku Price Theory Price Target 2ndskiesforex small
Although I listed the NT Calculation, for now just spend time understanding and practicing the first three price measurements.
The V Calculation
Looking at this general structure, we have a bullish move from A – B – C.  You will notice the depth of the retracement of C in relationship to the A – B move, which is about a 61.8% retracement.  If we were using Ichimoku Wave Theory, this would correlate to an N Wave.
The way to use this as a price measurement method is when price breaks the horizontal line at B for that is only when the V Calculation and pattern would be active.  Of course we can make the calculation ahead of time, and that is the point of the price measurement methods (or ichimoku price theory in general).  But the calculation actually does not become ‘active’ till the line at B is broken.
Once this does, we can expect an upside price target of D to be achieved (within a handful of pips) based on the V Calculation.  An example is below.
V Calculation Using the NZDUSD 4hr Chart
V Calculation ichimoku price theory 2ndskiestrading.com
So using this chart and running through the math of the V Calculation, we take .8202 + (.8202 – .8110 = 92), or .8202 + 92 pips = .8294.  As you can see, this matches up nicely with a current swing high and natural target for an upside continuation in the Kiwi (should it continue).  This is a basic example of how you can use the V Calculation to gauge a potential target for the pair.  An ichimoku trader using this calculation along with the swing high would only bolster their confidence in the upside target being hit.
Keep in mind this is a live chart and I have no idea how this will play out, but wanted to show it as an example.
Lets run through examples of the N and E calculations so you can see how they operate.
N Calculation = C + (B – A) Using the Dow Jones Index 4hr Chart
N Calculation ichimoku price theory 2ndskiestrading.com
Now using this chart above and the numbers for the N Calculation, C (12698) + (12794 – 12463 =  331), or 12698 + 331 = 13029.  So we would have a general target of 13029.  Now if you remember, these numbers are not meant to be absolutes, only highly probably approximations of upside or downside targets.  Considering the major role reversal level was at 13003, we can consider this to be a good target for D using the N calculation.
E Calculation = B + (B – A)  Using GBPJPY 4hr Chart
E Calculation ichimoku price theory 2ndskiestrading.com
Using this chart above on the GBPJPY and the E Calculation, B (12897) + (12897 – 12566 = 331), so 12897 + 331 = 132.28.  In this case, the market actually only got one pip higher than the D price measurement or target, showing a fine example of how the E calculation and price measurement theory can work.
Some Additional Notes
As I said before, ichimoku price theory should be combined with ichimoku time theory as they work in tandem.  But the scope of this is for another article and far too large for an introduction to ichimoku price theory.
Another note in terms of deciding which price measurement to use is based on the price action of the actual moves you want to measure.  You will notice all of the calculations have certain levels of impulsivity and correctiveness to the A, B and C moves.  On a basic level, what you are doing is gauging the level of the retracement from B – C, along with the correctiveness of the pullback from B-C to determine which calculation you will use.  Thus in essence, you need the A, B and C components to really apply any calculation at all.  But how you read these moves and waves will determine which calculation you use.
A critical note as well, is when measuring bull or bear runs.  The calculations you see in the first diagram are for bullish runs.  For bearish runs, you will substitute the + for a – between the first variable and the set. Thus, using the V Calculation, instead of it being V = B + (B-C), it would be V = B – (B – C).
In Summary
This was an introduction into Ichimoku Price Theory which is by far the most complex and intricate of the three pillars of The Ichimoku trading system.  The three basic calculations are critical and the foundation of the entire price theory, thus the most important formulas for you to learn.  Eventually you will combine price theory with time theory, but for now, just practice the basics here.  These price measurements are not to be considered absolute values, and Ichimoku was always meant to be used in combination with price action.  In fact, many aspects of ichimoku and the formulas are interpretations and patterns often found within price action, so the two are really intertwined.
For a more in depth study and training on Ichimoku Price, Time, Wave Theory, and Ichimoku Trading, make sure to visit my Advanced Ichimoku Course where we explore these methods in great depth, along with giving rule based systems to trade ichimoku both intraday and a trending/momentum basis.

Now that I have outlined the major components to Ichimoku Time Theory (ichimoku numbers), I want to talk about the 2nd pillar of Ichimok which is the Wave Theory.
Remember, the main pillars of Ichimoku are not the Tenkan, Kijun, Chikou and Kumo.  These are components of Ichimoku to help you read the main aspects of what is going on with the trend, support and resistance, and price action – all within a glance.
But…..these are NOT the pillars of Ichimoku.  This led Hosada to state the following when he realized everyone was getting stuck believing the Tenkan, Kijun, Chikou and Kumo were all Ichimoku was about;
“Of the 10,000 or so people who are practicing and trading ichimoku, only about 10 really understand it.”
The 3 main pillars of Ichimoku are;
1) Ichimoku Time Theory
2) Ichimoku Wave Theory
3) Ichimoku Price Theory
I have discussed Ichimoku time theory which is the basis for all the other pillars and all of the ichimoku components you use when you look at any ichimoku chart.  Now I would like to get into the 2nd pillar which is Ichimoku Wave Theory.  I will get into the basic components or waves only as there are several types of waves (basic, mid-term, etc.) so to give an introduction without confusing anyone, I will write about the basic waves in today’s article.
3 Basic Waves
There are 3 basic waves which are the most important ones to learn because they are the basis of the ichimoku wave theory and will always be a part of your wave counts.  They are;
1)  I Wave
2) V Wave
3) N Wave
Ironically, an I Wave is 1 leg, a V Wave is 2 legs and a N Wave is 3 legs.  Just like all the basic ichimoku numbers are building blocks for all the other numbers, it is the same with the waves.  But let me show you a picture below to help give you a needed visual.
basic ichimoku waves ichimoku cloud chris capre 2ndskiestrading.com
Looking at the image above, you can see how the one, two and three legs form the individual waves.  I, V and N waves can all be up or down so that does not matter.  Generally, I waves are impulsive price action moves, but they can be corrective.  V waves are usually one impulsive and one corrective move, but can be two impulsive moves back to back.  Whereas an N wave is usually an impulsive leg, followed by a corrective leg, and then another impulsive leg in the same direction as the original leg.
Being the most complex of the three, the N wave can have variations of this, but the first leg of the N wave should be impulsive with the other two having variations between them.  Generally, most N waves will end with a higher high for an up wave, and a lower low on a down wave.
So the wave should end up lower or higher than where it started.  If this is not the case, then it usually means a breakdown of the wave structure, but lets look at a few examples.
basic ichimoku wave examples chris capre ichimoku cloud 2ndskiestrading.com
Using the chart above, I have labeled several lines, all of which individually are I Waves.  As I said before, they all are components of each other, so a V Wave is really two I Waves put together, while an N Wave is either three I Waves, or one V Wave and one I Wave.  But lets break this down in the chart above.
Starting at the top left of the chart, the first movement from A-B is an I Wave.  Now by that token, the move from A-B-C is a downward V Wave.  A-B-C-D would be therefore an N Wave, but also composed of two V waves (one up and one down).  As a general rule, it’s better to look at the wave structure from a macro perspective then a micro one, so breaking say four N Waves up into 16 I waves is unnecessary.  Look for the larger macro structure (gestalt) of the wave structure and you got the trick.
Now, as I stated, even though A-B-C-D is an N Wave, it doesn’t end with D being higher than B.  When this happens, it generally means a range bound market at a minimum or a breakdown into a downward N wave, but rarely ever do these end up with higher prices above B, especially if C is breached.
Since this did happen, we actually have an downward N Wave starting at B-C-D-E.  We can also count a downward N Wave from D-E-F-G.  This brings me to the point that N Waves generally continue in their original direction until the ideal structure of the waves gets broken or disrupted.  It also means N Waves can continue and parts or legs (ends) of them can start new N Waves in the same direction.
So if we were counting a new N Wave from F-G-H-I, since the wave structure is being disrupted, we would expect a likely reversal, and this is supported by the upward N Wave starting at G-H-I-K.  This may seem like a lot, but this should give you some starting ideas of how to use these basic waves when reading an ichimoku cloud chart and will get easier with practice.
Usage in Trading
There are many ichimoku trading strategies we can use with these basic waves in trading, and if you were paying attention, I already gave away one idea.  One example is how the wave structure generally performs (particularly N Waves).  If the structure breaks down from its ideal formation, then watch for trend change – minimally a consolidation, but definitely not a trend continuation.
Another way this can be useful is if the number count (using ichimoku numbers) in a particular move is getting long, such as a two section, one period or a combined-6 move.  These common turning points, combined with wave structure changes often bring a confluence of signals together which can mark major turning points in a move.
For example, in the chart above, the move from D-G is actually 1 day short of a one period move (a common turning point).
Additionally, you can combine forex price action strategies with these moves, especially reversal setups, so when you see (for example) pin bar setup happening at a major resistance, along with an N Wave structural change, this can increase the probability of a reversal.
Other ways to do this is if the V Wave is not a traditional impulsive move followed by a corrective move.  For example, if it is an impulsive move followed by another one counter-direction, this could also be suggesting trend change or a range bound market, depending upon how it started the V Wave.
As you can see, there are many ways, too many to discuss here, but hopefully this gives you something to work with.
In Summary
Although there are other waves that we have not discussed, this is a good introduction and start to understanding Ichimoku Wave Theory and gives you the foundational theory to start practicing with the basic waves.  But it is important to understand this is one of the key pillars underlying all of Ichimoku Kinko Hyo theory, so understanding the basic waves is a gate towards understanding ichimoku trading strategy as a whole.
Best is to practice forex wave theory by itself so you learn it as an individual component.  Then after building some experience, combining it with ichimoku time theory.  But hopefully for now, this gives you a nice introduction to Ichimoku Wave Theory as there is very little information about it available, nor discussed openly.
For those wanting to learn how to trade the Ichimoku Cloud, time, wave and price theory, along with lifetime access to the Ichimoku traders forum, discussing ichimoku setups using rule-based systems, make sure to visit my Advanced Ichimoku Course.

For all those traders interested or currently trading Ichimoku, you will not want to miss this article.

Although I am heading out in a few hours with my girlfriend to Harbin Hot Springs, I wanted to write a brief introduction to Ichimoku Number Theory as there has been a lot of questions (and confusion) about Ichimoku settings, time frames, etc.

The basis of Ichimoku as known to most is the 5 lines;

  1. Tenkan Line
  2. Kijun Line
  3. Senkou Span A (part of the Kumo)
  4. Senkou Span B (other part of the Kumo)
  5. Chikou Line

Almost 95% of the commentary, traders, educators and understanding of the ichimoku kinko hyo view this as the basis of Ichimoku.

This is actually incorrect.

The basis of Ichimoku are the three pillars which are listed below;

  1. Ichimoku Number Theory (also has to do with time)
  2. Ichimoku Wave Theory
  3. Ichimoku Price Theory

These are the three pillars of Ichimoku, but the root of all them is based on the Ichimokunumber theory.

4.5yrs

Goichi Hosada (founder of Ichimoku)  in his development of Ichimoku, spent 4.5yrs of his study just on number theory.  He studied pretty much every Eastern and Western theory under the sun, and eventually settled upon 3 basis numbers that he not only made the basis of Ichimoku theory, but underlined all of reality.

NOTE: I have an interesting follow up story to tell about this so remind me to discuss it later.

The three numbers he made as the basis for Ichimoku were 9, 17 and 26.

So the idea that the reason why the Kijun was set to 26 periods had to do with the former 6 day Japanese trading week is false.
The kijun was set to this measurement, along with the tenkan – based on his findings.

What this means is, for those who are asking the question about should we adjust the settings since we are not working with a full trading week, or are trading an intraday time frame, is in effect answered. Regardless of the trading week or time frame, we are best served from an Ichimoku perspective keeping the original settings.  So hopefully this puts that one to rest and the kabbash on all the alternative theories.

The 10 Numbers
Although there were 3 basic numbers which underlie the entire set of Ichimoku numbers, there were 10 in all.  They are listed below;
9
17
26
*These three represent the basic or simple numbers
33
42
65
76
129
172
200-257 
Now if you do a quick calculation, 9+17 = 26.  26+17 = 42+1.  33+9 = 42.  33×2 = 65+1. 42+33 = 76-1. 65×2 = 129+1. 129+42 = 172-1.  So all these numbers are interrelated and all comprised of the basic numbers in some way.

There are names for these numbers like one section, two sections, one period, etc. which I will get into a later date, but the basic three names are;
one section (9)
two sections (17)
1 period (26)
So if you see me using this terminology in my future Ichimoku posts, you will know what I am talking about.

Use in Practice

Ideally, Ichimoku number/time theory should be used in combination with the price and wave theories.  So by itself, it is limited.  But we can start the introduction with the basic concept.  This is, the market is more likely to have a turning point or strong price action reaction around these numbers.  They are not meant to be treated as fixed in stone numbers, but moreso higher probability turning or reaction points.  An example of this is below;

AUDUSD Daily Chart
ichimoku number theory ichimoku trading 2ndskiestrading.com july 26th
Now using the chart above, lets make some observations:
A-B = 41 (1 short of 42 bar move)
B-C = 16 (1 short of two section move/17)
C-D = 26 bars exactly or one period
D-E = 18 bars (1 short of two sections move)
E-F = 26 bars exactly or one period

Now this is just one chart and there will be many that are not so accurate upon first glance, and others that are.  JPY pairs tend to move and respond more to the Ichimoku paramters and numbers since a great amount of Japanese traders are primarily trading Ichimoku strategies, and therefore are making trades based on it.

However, from my experience, this works on most pairs, commodities, and indices across the board, so quite potent and relevant.  Keep in mind, it is important to understand we do not just apply the Ichimoku number/time theory in isolation, but mate it with Ichimoku price and wave theory.  When combined, they become very highly predictive tools for catching major turning points, finding precise targets and determining future support and resistance levels, so powerful tools when yielded properly.

In Summary

Although this is just an introduction, I hope this gives you a better understanding of Ichimoku and how not to relate to it in just its basic form, but understand there is more going on than just the 5 lines.  Anyone just teaching and professing the 5 lines as the be all end all of Ichimoku have very little understanding of it.

Goichi Hosada once said about this in the mid 80’s;

“Of the 10,000 or so people who are practicing and trading Ichimoku, only about 10 really understand it.”

Keep in mind, when he was saying it, he was including himself and his grandson, so not many.  This is because people get too fascinated with the 5 lines and relate to that only without ever taking the time to understand what it is all about.  Although the 5 lines are potent and informative by themselves, they are a small fraction of the Ichimoku picture and information contained in the Ichimokukinko hyo chart, so keep this in perspective.

I’ll be doing further introductory articles about these additional elements in the future over the next several months, but hopefully this sparks your curiosity and imagination for now.

For those wanting to learn how to trade the Ichimoku Cloud, Ichimoku time, Ichimoku price and Ichimoku wave theory, along with lifetime access to the Ichimoku traders forum, using rule-based systems, make sure to check out my Advanced Ichimoku Course.